Topic on User talk:Harakoni

Any idea why none of my edits are being done and I'm not getting the confirmation email no matter how many times I hit the button to send me one even though my account is over 12 hours old?

The edits were approved because new users are manually moderated and we are understaffed. They should be up now.

Which email are you referring to?

In order to get any notifications sent to my email I have to first confirm my email address. This is done under the preferences page. I've clicked that button at least 10 times now and it won't send a confirmation email to me. I've checked my spam folder and I even tried to update my email address on this site (that didn't work because the website won't let you "change" the email to the same one you already have which is why I know it's typed correctly so I should be getting it) but nothing is working.

As a side note could the edit I made to the "space" section of the "rooms" page also get approved? It's the one edit I made before creating an account so it would be my ip address as the editor changing 12.5 to 12.6 for the rather tight room space stat. Thank you.

The edit was rejected by another moderator that is an experienced modder. They are of the opinion that the limit is 12.5 and the page is correct, and checked the code to verify. If the behavior you're seeing disagrees and its not just a rounding issue, you're welcome to discuss it on the discord in #wiki-suggestions where we can talk more easily and other editors can more freely contribute.

Idk if they'll work since discord changed their hosting but see below for the relevant code snippets. here and here

That said, calling any editor, let alone a moderator doing their job, a "disrespectful jerk" in an edit summary is not appropriate. This is something people do for free in their spare time. I get that it can be frustrating especially when moderation is slow or unresponsive, but that does not excuse it. Please consider this a warning.

First off no one is paying me to contribute to this wiki either so trying to justify his actions as being free labor is hypocrisy on your part. Second I stated (3 times now) I already verified this in game. A room space score of 12.5 EXACTLY gets listed as cramped. This is achieved by creating a 4x4 room on the inside with 11 tiles occupied (double bed, dresser, nightstand, and 4 large sculptures) so 5 tiles free. I had to completely redesign my room layouts because I ran into this so telling me what the "code" says is pointless when any of you can easily create a test game and spawn the required objects just like I did. If this link works https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3656154474 Now that being said I have found a configuration of the same items in the same room that is listed as being rather tight so there is something else at play (https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3656154744). Third telling me I'm "straight up incorrect" and denying my edit because he's a mod and can do that without having the curtesy to ask me how I verified it in game and then telling me after I had to submit it a 2nd time to get on discord to prove myself is very disrespectful. My time and labor is just as valuable as both of yours are.

I already verified this in game

You have to understand, people say this all the time and still make incorrect edits. Most of the time its even honest and they did check, but they've misunderstood a mechanic or misattributed a cause. Many good faith edits are still wrong. And as you can see they also verified. They even had more justification to reject your edit than you had to make it by checking the actual code. And it turned out neither of you were correct and its not properly deterministic.

An edit war was not going to fix that. Discussing why you both had different results was the way to solve it and is, in fact, was how it was solved, and which is what they invited you to do once you put the edit under your name.

Now imagine if you were a moderator, you see incorrect edits all the time, good faith and not, and you see a random IP user add something you knew to be incorrect like "rats can breed with cats". You check just in case and its wrong. You would reject the edit too. Then they make it a second time but this time under their username so you think, "maybe it is good faith but still wrong? I'll ask why they think this". Do you leave false info up on the wiki while you sort it out? No, but you make sure the edit can be reverted back to without issue and then you ask them to provide why they think rats and cats can breed.

Now was this Aelanna's thought process? No idea. I am not them. But the assumption of good faith goes both ways. Calling people names and accusing them of lying for getting different results in testing a game for a wiki you both volunteer for is not appropriate. The stakes are not high enough to justify this sort of behavior. If you cannot assume good faith and maintain some semblance of decorum, I will just ban you because as much as I appreciate your contributions, a hostile environment will drive away editors that collectively would contribute more. I would really like to not do that though - you make good edits and are clearly passionate. Please don't force my hand.

I am happy to keep discussing this politely if you like, but I am also happy to just leave this alone and move on as a settled issue. I strongly recommend the second option however.

"I will just ban you" I've owned Rimworld for 5 years and 9 months before creating an account on this wiki. Threatening me with a ban will just get me to tell you to take your opinion and shove it because I will NEVER need you. Your mod team is overburdened because people like you and Aelanna drive other's away who might have been willing to help you out. Ban me or not, it's up to you, but make no mistake about it you have control over nothing I need.

God you're such a child. Wikis are collaborative endeavors. Overburdened or not, more will get done if no-one has to deal with a tantrum everytime there's a disagreement, and we'll keep more editors if they aren’t getting insulted.

Oh well, I tried. 6 months and we can try again.