Topic on Talk:Ideoligion

As it is, this page is very long and very information dense. This allows us to summarize the effects of the precepts, roles, rituals etc but means we have to rely on the other pages to provide sufficient detail on their effects. It also prevents comparative anaylsis of the different options.

So instead of making this page longer, the suggestion is to keep the table as is as a summary, but at the head of the section link to a dedicated page where the individual roles, their effects and their value can be discussed. Additionally each line in the table would link to its section on the dedicated page. For a similar concept see Persona weapons. For example, a graph like the one for Gunlink#Analysis can be created for shooting specialist to provide readers an idea of how much the DPS improves, and a version of the table from Aiming Time can also be included.

If it goes well, we can potentially roll the idea out to the parts of the page, especially the Precepts and the Rituals to allow proper coverage. Blindsight already is this to a certain extent. The same goes for the psycasts on Psycasts.

Thoughts, Opinions etc?

I fully agree that the page needs "spinning out" of sections into dedicated pages. I also think that creating the independent page on roles as described would be beneficial for future addition of information if needed.

Similarly, I would like to suggest moving the precepts tables onto their own page, putting in their place a smaller summary table (potentially in the style of this). I have tried to organise the precepts section by splitting the table into three, but its sheer size meant this had little effect. Plus, I anticipate that this section will only grow bigger over time as more information is added. So, this solution should improve readability by providing a useful overview and cutting page length substantially (~25%).

That small summary table is excellent. Personally I'd increase the image size to 32px to improve readability and use

! colspan="2"| Issue

to remove the extraneous column header, but otherwise its perfect!

Ideoligion page with your short summary table, Precepts page with the current big table, and as necessary, individual precept pages with details. The Nutrient Paste precept likely doesn't need its own page for example.

Thank you for the feedback, I will implement the changes over the next few days.

The Specialists are the most gameplay-impacting reason to take an Ideology so I find it important to keep them on the same page so I can compare the pros and cons.

I'd recommend moving the Leader and Moral Guide maybe but that'd have less impact.

To trim down the page I'd recommend moving sections: Style, Cultures, and maybe Structures as these have next to zero gameplay impact and I never read those sections. Possibly the charts for faction relations as well.

Maybe those elements can be collected into a Forming an Ideology page or an Ideology Structure page.

To be clear the idea is to spin off the role section (leaving a summary here) into its own singular page, not to have individual pages for each role.

Yep, when I use the page I'm scrolling up and down a lot. For example, how do I get a Medical Specialist? Oh Flesh Purity, what're the requirements for that? I should check the Body Modification to weigh the mood disadvantage, and so on.

I could still do that with roles moved, but I'd have to open another tab which would be annoying.

If we kept a short summary on the same page that'd be fine. Then we could have detailed stats on the dedicated page.