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Frag grenades are short ranged, thrown weapons that have a forced miss radius but deal explosive damage in a small radius around their target. They are not consumed and do not use any ammo.

Acquisition[edit]

Frag grenades can be crafted at a machining table once the machining research project has been completed. Each requires 20 Steel, 80 Chemfuel and 12,000 ticks (3.33 mins) of work modified by the general labor speed of the crafter.

They can also be purchased from orbital pirate merchants and orbital combat suppliers, outlander faction bases, or obtained from the following raider kinds:

Raider Kind	Chance	Average Quality	Health
Grenadier	50%	Normal	70-230%
Grenadier	100%	Normal	70-230%

Summary[edit]

Frag grenade range and AOE.
Red = Radius which grenades can land, if aiming at the center.
Sterile tile = Tiles at risk of explosion.

Frag grenades are weapons. They take up the weapon slot and will not run out of ammo. Grenades are blocked by walls, but the blast ignores cover. When choosing a target, a circular zone will generate to indicate range, then another 3x3 indicator with a circular center will become the aiming spot.

Frag grenades deal 50 Bomb damage in a 1.9 tile radius. Bomb damage deals 2x damage to passable structures and builds, 4x damage to plants and impassable buildings, and 8x damage to walls. They are thrown from a very short range of 12.9 tiles and have moderate aiming time. Once landed, grenades have a 100 ticks (1.67 secs) delay before exploding. With a forced miss radius of 1.9 tiles, an unobstructed grenade always lands within 1 grid tile (including diagonals) of the target. Therefore, the blast will always hit the intended tile. This means Shooting skill, shooting accuracy, and health of the grenadier is irrelevant. Aiming time effects still apply, however.

When throwing a grenade down an 1-tile wide alley, a pawn can consistently throw a grenade 4 tiles, not including the tile the pawn is standing on, without intersecting the two side walls. Beyond 4 tiles, there is a risk of hitting the wall and dropping short. This can be relevant to prevent friendly fire or damaging defenses during combat.

Item[edit]

When damaged with Flame damage at 20 HP or below, the grenade item will explode. The grenades will spark and emit a hissing sound shortly before exploding some time later. The explosion deals 50 Bomb damage in a 2.66 tile radius around itself.

Frag grenades have no quality - every set of grenades will have the same stats, regardless of the skill of the crafter.

Analysis[edit]

Grenades are highly effective in a melee block scenario. Grenadier (black square) aims at the red square. Circled grenade can hit multiple enemies for high damage.

Grenades can be thrown straight for up to 4 tiles. If aiming at the red tile, sterile tile is the blast zone. Don't put walls there.

As a weapon[edit]

Frag grenades are not conventional weapons. With only 12 tiles of range, they are difficult to use in a firefight. They are poor in a killbox, due to the grenade's tendency to break walls. In general, it is somewhat difficult to hit a moving target with a grenade. Usage without oversight is prone to vulnerable positioning and unwanted collateral damage.

But in the right circumstances, frag grenades can range from useful to incredibly powerful:

Melee blocking. Have 3 melee pawns line behind a doorway / hallway, as shown in the picture. Line a grenadier within 4 tiles of the hallway, and let them fire. Frag grenades are obscenely effective weapons in this scenario, as they can hit a clump of enemies with the full explosion. Melee blocks are extremely effective against melee enemies, such as manhunter packs, infestations, and melee-only raids. Grenades can damage walls within a 2-tile radius, so try and avoid getting your own walls blown up.
Structure destruction. Grenades are very effective at destroying walls and turrets due to Bomb damage's multiplier. Good against mech clusters. Combos well with blind smoke: smoke prevents turrets from targeting on at all, but has minimal impact on the grenade's accuracy.
You can destroy your own walls too. This can be used as a roof collapse trap, though molotov cocktails may be better for this purpose.
Attacking enemies in cover. Grenades ignore the cover mechanic, and enemies in cover are stationary targets. While you usually shouldn't let your enemies have cover in the first place, this fact can be useful in certain points in the game.

Grenades offer a viable combat alternative for pawns with health issues or low skill, due to large blast radius, and the forced miss mechanic mostly ignoring accuracy. Frag grenades strictly benefit from the trigger-happy trait, as the Aiming Time bonus applies while the accuracy penalty does not, resulting in a significantly higher DPS. Similarly, the careful shooter trait is strictly detrimental, reducing DPS with no benefit in return.

Fighting against[edit]

Hostiles with grenades are very dangerous, mostly for the same reasons they are good as a player weapon. They function well against stationary targets like mini-turrets and colonists in cover. Players should pay attention to the "throwing" sound (a whooshing sound) and clear the area fast enough to avoid getting caught in its blast radius.

Like any ranged weapon, grenades can't be thrown in melee combat, so rushing them in melee will practically neutralize the threat. As raiders prioritize the nearest target, they'll target an approaching melee colonist, only to invariably miss as their target is moving.

Frag grenades are used by outlanders and pirates for their breacher raids. They deal damage to walls very quickly. But as grenades have a short range, and as breachers tend to rush ahead of the group, you can pick off the grenadiers.

Non-combat utility[edit]

Frag grenades are useful when destroying walls and other objects. Because they don't cause fires, you can throw them at an ignited object, which will end the fire. For Ancient complexs Frag grenades are incredibly useful both for controlling fires from fuel nodes but also since all rooms are connected by stone doors which cannot be held open until the complex is fully cleared of enemies, grenades can be thrown to destroy walls and clear a much faster path saving time.

Frag grenades can also be used to clear items, such as in dumping zones. When dealing with flammable objects, it's less work to light them on fire instead.

Version history[edit]

Beta 19/1.0 - Frag grenades are no longer a valid hunting weapon
1.2.2753 - Projectiles are now rendered with a visual arc and ground shadow.
1.3.3066 - Grenade throws are rendered in an arc.

Original Grenade sprite

Weapons

Melee | Neolithic: Breach axe • Club • Ikwa • Knife (Jade) • Spear

Medieval: Gladius • Longsword • Mace • Axe • Warhammer

Ultra: Eltex staff • Monosword (Persona) • Plasmasword (Persona) • Zeushammer (Persona)

Improvised: Beer • Elephant tusk • Thrumbo horn • Wood

Ranged | Neolithic: Greatbow • Pila • Recurve bow • Short bow • Flamebow

Medieval: Nerve spiker

Industrial: Assault rifle • Autopistol • Bolt-action rifle • Chain shotgun • Heavy SMG • Launcher (EMP, Incendiary, Smoke, Toxbomb ) • LMG • Machine pistol • Minigun • Pump shotgun • Revolver • Sniper rifle • Hellcat rifle • Incinerator

Spacer: Charge lance • Charge rifle

Consumables: Doomsday rocket launcher • Triple rocket launcher

Throwables: EMP grenades • Frag grenades • Molotov cocktails • Tox grenades

Mechanoid: Heavy charge blaster • Inferno cannon • Needle gun • Thump cannon • Beam graser • Charge blaster turret • Hellsphere cannon • Mini-flameblaster • Mini-shotgun • Slugthrower • Spiner • Toxic needle gun

Structures: Autocannon • Mini-turret gun • Mortar (Weapon) • Uranium slug cannon • Auto-mortar • Inferno cannon (Turret) • Light charge blaster • Mini-slugger • Tactical turret gun

Related | Body part weapons: Prosthetic arm • Bionic arm • Archotech arm • Power claw • Field hand • Drill arm • Venom talon • Venom fangs • Knee spike • Elbow blade • Hand talon • Flesh whip

Integrated weapons: Grenadier armor • Phoenix armor

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+{{Infobox main|weapon
 | name = Frag grenades
-| image = FragGrenades.png|Frag grenades
+| image = FragGrenades.png
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+| tech level = Industrial
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 | damage = 50
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+| armorPenetration = 10
+| stoppingPower = 0.5
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-'''Frag grenades''' are short ranged, thrown [[weapons]] that have a forced miss radius but deal explosive damage in a small radius around their target.
+'''Frag grenades''' are short ranged, thrown [[weapons]] that have a forced miss radius but deal explosive damage in a small radius around their target. They are not consumed and do not use any ammo.
-Note that frag grenades, once equipped, can be thrown infinitely; they are not consumed by use.
 == Acquisition ==
-Frag grenades can be crafted at a [[{{P|Production Facility 1}}]] once the [[Research#{{P|Required Research}}|{{P|Required Research}}]] research project has been completed. They require {{Required Resources}} and {{Ticks|{{P|Work To Make}}}} of work.
+{{Acquisition}}
 They can also be [[Trade|purchased]] from orbital pirate merchants and orbital combat suppliers, [[outlander]] [[faction base]]s, or obtained from the following [[raider]] kinds:
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 == Summary ==
-[[File:Frag grenade range.png|200px|thumb|left|Frag grenade range and AoE]]
+[[File:Frag grenade range.png|350px|thumb|left|Frag grenade range and AOE.<br>Red = Radius which grenades can land, if aiming at the center.<br>[[Sterile tile]] = Tiles at risk of explosion.]]
-Frag grenades have very short range, moderate aiming time, and a {{ticks|100}} delay before exploding in a 3x3 area, causes 50 [[Damage types#Bomb|Bomb]] damage to items and creatures, 200 damage to structures and terrain features, and 400 damage to [[walls]]. Each set of frag grenades can be thrown infinitely; they are not consumed by use.
+Frag grenades are weapons. They take up the weapon slot and will not run out of ammo. Grenades are blocked by walls, but the blast ignores cover. When choosing a target, a circular zone will generate to indicate range, then another 3x3 indicator with a circular center will become the aiming spot.
-They are thrown with the same animation as of shooting, they cannot be used over walls and must have a direct line of sight. A circular zone will generate to indicate range, then another 3x3 indicator with a circular center will become the aiming spot. The character cannot hold both the grenades and another weapon at the same time.
+Frag grenades deal {{P|Damage Base}} [[Damage types#{{P|Damage Type}}|{{P|Damage Type}}]] damage in a {{P|Blast Radius}} tile radius. Bomb damage deals 2x damage to passable structures and builds, 4x damage to plants and impassable buildings, and 8x damage to walls.  They are thrown from a very short range of {{P|Range}} tiles and have moderate aiming time. Once landed, grenades have a {{ticks|100}} delay before exploding. With a forced miss radius of 1.9 tiles, an unobstructed grenade always lands within 1 grid tile (including diagonals) of the target. Therefore, the blast will always hit the intended tile. This means [[Skills#Shooting|Shooting]] skill, [[shooting accuracy]], and health of the grenadier is irrelevant. [[Aiming time]] effects still apply, however.
-Grenades will always land within 1 tile of their targeted tile, including on the diagonal, unless the path of the grenade intersects with a wall or object. This forced miss radius means that [[Skills#Shooting|Shooting]] skill and [[shooting accuracy]] of the grenadier is irrelevant. The grenades will not get any more or less accurate based on the skills or health of the thrower. [[Aiming time]] effects do still apply however.
+When throwing a grenade down an 1-tile wide alley, a pawn can consistently throw a grenade 4 tiles, not including the tile the pawn is standing on, without intersecting the two side walls. Beyond 4 tiles, there is a risk of hitting the wall and dropping short. This can be relevant to prevent friendly fire or damaging defenses during combat.
-When throwing a grenade down an 1-tile wide alley, a pawn can consistently throw a grenade 4 tiles, not including the tile the pawn is standing on, without intersecting the two side walls. Beyond 4 tiles, there is a risk of hitting the wall and dropping short. This can be relevant to prevent friendly fire or damaging defenses during combat.
+=== Item ===
+When damaged with [[Damage Types#Flame|Flame]] damage at 20 HP or below, the grenade item will explode. The grenades will spark and emit a hissing sound shortly before exploding some time later. The explosion deals 50 Bomb damage in a 2.66 tile radius around itself.
-When damaged with [[Damage Types#Flame|Flame]] damage{{Check Tag|How much?|Any damage? Below a certain threshold? What threshold?}}, they may explode. The grenades will spark and emit a hissing sound shortly before exploding some time later. The explosion deals 50 Bomb damage in a 2.66 tile radius around itself.
+Frag grenades have no [[quality]] - every set of grenades will have the same stats, regardless of the skill of the crafter.
+<div style="clear:left></div>
 == Analysis ==
 {{Stub|section=1|reason=Cleanup and frag grenades have a lot of utility and specific use cases not properly represented here}}
-The main benefits of frag grenades are the strong damage versus structures and large concentration of hostiles in tight areas. It offers a viable combat alternative for those with low skill or health issues that diminish accuracy as it hits nine tiles at once, reducing target "miss" chances. Frag grenades strictly benefit from the [[trigger-happy]] trait, as the [[Aiming Time]] bonus applies while the accuracy penalty does not, resulting in a signficantly higher DPS. Similarly, the [[careful shooter]] trait is strictly detrimental, reducing DPS with no benefit in return.
-Usage without oversight is prone to vulnerable positioning, inefficiency against moving target, and unwanted collateral damage.
+[[File:Grenades melee block.png|250px|thumb|right|Grenades are highly effective in a [[melee block]] scenario. Grenadier (black square) aims at the red square. Circled grenade can hit multiple enemies for high damage.]]
+[[File:Grenades corridor.png|250px|thumb|right|Grenades can be thrown straight for up to 4 tiles. If aiming at the red tile, [[sterile tile]] is the blast zone. Don't put walls there.]]
+=== As a weapon ===
+Frag grenades are not conventional weapons. With only 12 tiles of range, they are difficult to use in a firefight. They are poor in a [[killbox]], due to the grenade's tendency to break walls. In general, it is somewhat difficult to hit a moving target with a grenade. Usage without oversight is prone to vulnerable positioning and unwanted collateral damage.
+But in the right circumstances, frag grenades can range from useful to incredibly powerful:
+*'''[[Melee block]]ing.''' Have 3 melee pawns line behind a doorway / hallway, as shown in the picture. Line a grenadier within 4 tiles of the hallway, and let them fire. Frag grenades are obscenely effective weapons in this scenario, as they can hit a clump of enemies with the full explosion. Melee blocks are extremely effective against melee enemies, such as [[manhunter pack]]s, [[infestation]]s, and melee-only [[raid]]s. Grenades can damage walls within a 2-tile radius, so try and avoid getting your own walls blown up.
+*'''Structure destruction.''' Grenades are very effective at destroying [[wall]]s and [[turret]]s due to Bomb damage's multiplier. Good against [[mech cluster]]s.{{RoyaltyIcon}} Combos well with [[blind smoke]]: smoke prevents turrets from targeting on at all, but has minimal impact on the grenade's accuracy. <br>You can destroy your own walls too. This can be used as a [[Roof#Roof_collapse|roof collapse]] trap, though [[molotov cocktail]]s may be better for this purpose.
+*'''Attacking enemies in cover.''' Grenades ignore the [[cover]] mechanic, and enemies in cover are stationary targets. While you usually shouldn't let your enemies have cover in the first place, this fact can be useful in certain points in the game.
+Grenades offer a viable combat alternative for pawns with health issues or low skill, due to large blast radius, and the forced miss mechanic mostly ignoring accuracy. Frag grenades strictly benefit from the [[trigger-happy]] trait, as the [[Aiming Time]] bonus applies while the accuracy penalty does not, resulting in a significantly higher DPS. Similarly, the [[careful shooter]] trait is strictly detrimental, reducing DPS with no benefit in return.
+=== Fighting against ===
+Hostiles with grenades are very dangerous, mostly for the same reasons they are good as a player weapon. They function well against stationary targets like [[mini-turret]]s and colonists in [[cover]]. Players should pay attention to the "throwing" sound (a whooshing sound) and clear the area fast enough to avoid getting caught in its blast radius.
-Hostiles equipped with frag grenades are very dangerous, especially against your [[Mini-turret]]s and [[drafting|drafted]] (standing) colonists in cover, mostly because their casualties don't matter unlike player's colonists and will just charge forward without any care for their own safety, but of course will retreat under fire once half of their group has been killed or incapacitated. Players should pay attention to the "throwing" sound (a whooshing sound) and clear the area fast enough to avoid getting caught in its blast radius. A reasonably effective counter is to rush a grenade-equipped hostile with a melee weapon-wielding colonist. The hostile will prioritize the nearest target, since they are moving they will invariably miss, and then they will find themselves at a massive disadvantage in close combat. Another tactic that can be utilized is to find the frag grenade enemy, and focus fire on that pawn and only that pawn.
+Like any ranged weapon, grenades can't be thrown in melee combat, so rushing them in melee will practically neutralize the threat. As raiders prioritize the nearest target, they'll target an approaching melee colonist, only to invariably miss as their target is moving.
-=== Melee Blocking ===
+Frag grenades are used by outlanders and pirates for their [[breacher]] raids. They deal damage to walls very quickly. But as grenades have a short range, and as breachers tend to rush ahead of the group, you can pick off the grenadiers.
-Frag grenades are especially useful when paired with the [[defense tactics#Melee blocking|melee blocking tactic]]. While enemies are bunched up on the other side of a wall, a grenadier can throw grenades over the heads of the blockers to deal massive damage to many enemies. Just make sure that the extent of the AoE of the grenade is one tile away from the wall, as a mishandled grenade can blow a hole in the wall and ruin the melee blocking tactic.
-=== Firefighting===
+=== Non-combat utility ===
-Frag grenades produce blast explosion but no fire, allowing instant extinguishing of fires.
+Frag grenades are useful when destroying walls and other objects. Because they don't cause [[fire]]s, you can throw them at an ignited object, which will end the fire. For [[Ancient complex]]s Frag grenades are incredibly useful both for controlling fires from [[Ancient unstable fuel node|fuel nodes]] but also since all rooms are connected by stone doors which cannot be held open until the complex is fully cleared of enemies, grenades can be thrown to destroy walls and clear a much faster path saving time.
-=== Disposal ===
+Frag grenades can also be used to clear items, such as in [[dumping zone]]s. When dealing with flammable objects, it's less work to light them on fire instead.
-Frag grenades can also be used to clear [[dumping zone]]s, though if you are clearing corpses it's better to light them on fire instead.
-== Version History ==
+== Version history ==
-*Beta 19/1.0 - Frag grenades are no longer a valid hunting weapon
+* Beta 19/1.0 - Frag grenades are no longer a valid hunting weapon
+* [[Version/1.2.2753|1.2.2753]] - Projectiles are now rendered with a visual arc and ground shadow.
+* [[Version/1.3.3066|1.3.3066]] - Grenade throws are rendered in an arc.
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