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| weaponTags = Neolithic, NeolithicRangedHeavy, NeolithicRangedChief
 
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| thingSetMakerTags = RewardStandardQualitySuper
 
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{{Info|The '''greatbow''' is a moderately heavy, single-shot ranged weapon which deals a slightly higher amount of damage per shot; slightly longer time between shots; slightly longer range and high overall accuracy.}}
 
{{Info|The '''greatbow''' is a moderately heavy, single-shot ranged weapon which deals a slightly higher amount of damage per shot; slightly longer time between shots; slightly longer range and high overall accuracy.}}
  
 
== Acquisition ==
 
== Acquisition ==
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Great bows can be manufactured at [[fueled smithy|any]] [[electric smithy|smithy]] once the [[Research#Greatbow|greatbow]] research has been completed; from {{Required Resources}} and {{Ticks|{{P|Work To Make}}}} of work. A crafting level of at least 6 is required.
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{{Acquisition}}
  
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Great bows can also be purchased from neolithic war merchants and orbital combat suppliers, or obtained from the following [[raider#Humanlike|raider]] kinds:
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Great bows can also be purchased from neolithic [[Trade#War_merchant|war merchants]] and orbital combat suppliers, or obtained from the following [[raider#Humanlike|raider]] kinds:
  
 
{| class="wikitable sortable"
 
{| class="wikitable sortable"
 
! Raider Kind !! Chance !! Average Quality !! Health
 
! Raider Kind !! Chance !! Average Quality !! Health
 
|-
 
|-
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| Heavy Archer || 42.22% || Normal || 50-180%
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| [[Tribals#Heavy archer|Heavy archer]] || 42.22% || Normal || 50-180%
 
|-
 
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| Archer Chief || 93.25% || Normal || 100%
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| [[Tribals#Archer chief|Archer chief]] || 93.25% || Normal || 100%
 
|}
 
|}
  
 
== Analysis ==
 
== Analysis ==
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Greatbows are the most powerful pre-industrial ranged weapon. Roughly on par with weak firearms like [[autopistol]]s and [[revolver]]s, it is rapidly outclassed by most other guns.
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The greatbow is the most powerful pre-industrial ranged weapon. Roughly on par with weak firearms like [[autopistol]]s and [[revolver]]s, it is rapidly outclassed by most other guns. Due to the research required, crafting greatbows is usually not a great idea. However, a greatbow obtained from other means, such as by loot, quest, event, or by trade, can be useful in the early game.
  
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The greatbow dominates the [[recurve bow]] in terms of damage and range, and handily beats all ranged weapons available to a [[New Tribe]]. Accuracy, especially in short-medium range, is very good, and it can stagger up to [[human]]s and [[megaspider]]s. Its armor penetration is even worse than a [[shortbow]], but the overall damage more than makes up for it. It's worth noting that the greatbow has a longer warmup than cooldown, which is reversed for the other two.
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As a weapon, the greatbow dominates all ranged weapons for its tech level. For a bow, it has great accuracy and range. While the {{AP}} is worse than even a [[short bow]], the damage easily makes up for it. With the highest range before [[bolt-action rifle]]s and a relatively short cooldown, the greatbow is ideal for both preventing, and escaping from, hunted animals going manhunter. It's worth noting that the greatbow has a longer warmup than cooldown, which is reversed for the other two bows. This synergizes well with [[Aiming Time]] reductions.
  
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Compared to autopistols and revolvers, the greatbow has more range and is much more accurate at a distance, while both handguns outdamage it up close. The greatbow is actually very similar to a [[bolt-action rifle]], just with worse stats. For the same [[quality]], the greatbow has less maximum range, less long-range accuracy, and less {{DPS}} than the bolt-action at all ranges. They otherwise share similar niche (being better at long range combat).
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* Compared to a [[recurve bow]] of the same quality, the greatbow has overall better damage and range. A recurve bow one or two quality levels above can have better {{DPS}} at the short-medium range though.
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* Compared to autopistols and revolvers, the greatbow is more accurate from a distance, and has higher max range. However, both handguns outdamage the greatbow up close.
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* The greatbow is actually very similar in role to the [[bolt-action rifle]], just with worse stats. A bolt-action rifle has better {{DPS}}, range, long-range accuracy as a greatbow of the same quality.
  
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The greatbow makes a good general purpose weapon for its tech level, good in both offense and support, though weaker at point-blank range. But, as even Tribal starts will loot firearms that can match and functionally replace it, actually researching them is often a waste of time. Should you find or craft a particularly high quality greatbow, it might remain competitive in the early game.
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The main issue of this weapon is the research required - greatbows are a dead-end project, and greatbows themselves are quickly outclassed by guns that can be looted and crafted early. Therefore, actually doing the research is often a waste of time. Should you find or craft a particularly high quality greatbow, however, it can remain competitive in the early game. The main advantage of greatbows is their cost, not using any components or steel that could be otherwise spent on other options.
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*At medium (25 tile) range, an excellent greatbow is outdamaged by a poor bolt-action rifle.
 
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*A masterwork bow beats an excellent bolt-action at any range, though max range is still shorter.
 
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*Up close (12 tiles), a greatbow 1-2 quality levels higher beats a bolt action, e.g. good greatbow > normal bolt-action.
 
  
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With the highest range before bolt action rifles and a relatively short cooldown, the greatbow is ideal for both preventing and escaping from hunted animals going manhunter. This is especially useful as the time when greatbows are still relevant is also when your hunters are most vulnerable. It still doesn't make it worth researching, but any otherwise available great bows are good choices until bolt-action rifles become available.  
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=== Quality comparisons ===
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High quality greatbows can occasionally be obtained as a [[quest]] reward. Particularly high quality greatbows can be better than many types of guns.
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* A masterwork greatbow beats an excellent (and lower) bolt-action rifle at any range the bow can reach, though its {{AP}} and max range are still shorter.
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* Up close (12 tiles), a greatbow 1 quality level higher generally beats a bolt action, e.g. good greatbow > normal bolt-action. The one exception is that an excellent greatbow is still inferior to a good bolt action rifle.  
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* At medium (25 tile) range and beyond, an excellent greatbow is outperformed by a poor bolt-action.
  
 
=== Stats ===
 
=== Stats ===
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Against an unarmored human, a greatbow can kill with 3 hits to the torso, 2 hits to the head or neck, or 1 hit to the brain; cripple or destroy limbs in 2 hits; and destroy eyes and digits with a single hit. It'll generally take around 4 hits (~18.6 seconds average) to incapacitate that human from pain shock.  
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Against an unarmored human, a greatbow can kill with 3 hits to the torso, 2 hits to the head or neck, or 1 hit to the brain; cripple or destroy limbs in 2 hits; and destroy eyes and digits with a single hit. It'll generally take around 4 hits (~19.5 seconds average) to incapacitate that human from pain shock.  
  
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{{Weapon Quality Table}}
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{{Weapon Stats Table}}
  
 
== Version history ==
 
== Version history ==
 
* [[Version/0.3.410|0.3.410]] - Added
 
* [[Version/0.3.410|0.3.410]] - Added
 
* At some point between Beta 18 and 1.2 it was nerfed. Accuracy was decreased from Touch accuracy was changed from 93% to 65%, range was decreased from 32 to 30 and damage from 18 to 17. It was also increased in weight from 1.2 to 3.0.
 
* At some point between Beta 18 and 1.2 it was nerfed. Accuracy was decreased from Touch accuracy was changed from 93% to 65%, range was decreased from 32 to 30 and damage from 18 to 17. It was also increased in weight from 1.2 to 3.0.
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* [[Version/1.5.4062|1.5.4062]] - Received a new texture.
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<gallery>
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GreatBow Old.png|Texture prior to 1.5
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</gallery>
  
  

Latest revision as of 22:26, 16 November 2024

Greatbow

Greatbow

A powerful greatbow. Fires a heavy arrow long distances.

Base Stats

Type
Equipment – Weapons
Tech Level
Neolithic
Weapon Class
Neolithic
Market Value
104 Silver
Mass
3 kg

Ranged Combat

Mode
Single-Shot
Damage
17 dmg (Arrow)
Armor penetration
15%
Warm-Up
120 ticks (2 secs)
Cooldown
90 ticks (1.5 secs)
Range
29.9 tile(s)
Accuracy
65% - 85% - 75% - 50%
Velocity
49 (m/s)
Burst Count
1 (per burst)
DPS
4.86
Stopping power
1.5

Melee Combat

Melee Attack 1
Limb
9 dmg (Blunt)
13% AP
2.0 seconds cooldown
Melee Attack 2 
Limb
9 dmg (Poke)
13% AP
2.0 seconds cooldown

Creation

Crafted At
Crafting spot / Fueled smithy / Electric smithy
Required Research
Greatbow
Skill Required
Crafting 6
Work To Make
9,000 ticks (2.5 mins)
Work Speed Stat
General Labor Speed
Resources to make
Wood 60
Technical
Has Quality
True
weaponTags
Neolithic, NeolithicRangedHeavy, NeolithicRangedChief
thingSetMakerTags
RewardStandardQualitySuper
tradeTags
WeaponRanged


The greatbow is a moderately heavy, single-shot ranged weapon which deals a slightly higher amount of damage per shot; slightly longer time between shots; slightly longer range and high overall accuracy.

Acquisition[edit]

Greatbows can be crafted at a crafting spot, fueled smithy, or electric smithy once the greatbow research project has been completed. Each requires Wood 60 Wood, 9,000 ticks (2.5 mins) of work modified by the general labor speed of the crafter, and a crafting skill of 6.

Great bows can also be purchased from neolithic war merchants and orbital combat suppliers, or obtained from the following raider kinds:

Raider Kind Chance Average Quality Health
Heavy archer 42.22% Normal 50-180%
Archer chief 93.25% Normal 100%

Analysis[edit]

The greatbow is the most powerful pre-industrial ranged weapon. Roughly on par with weak firearms like autopistols and revolvers, it is rapidly outclassed by most other guns. Due to the research required, crafting greatbows is usually not a great idea. However, a greatbow obtained from other means, such as by loot, quest, event, or by trade, can be useful in the early game.

As a weapon, the greatbow dominates all ranged weapons for its tech level. For a bow, it has great accuracy and range. While the AP is worse than even a short bow, the damage easily makes up for it. With the highest range before bolt-action rifles and a relatively short cooldown, the greatbow is ideal for both preventing, and escaping from, hunted animals going manhunter. It's worth noting that the greatbow has a longer warmup than cooldown, which is reversed for the other two bows. This synergizes well with Aiming Time reductions.

  • Compared to a recurve bow of the same quality, the greatbow has overall better damage and range. A recurve bow one or two quality levels above can have better DPS at the short-medium range though.
  • Compared to autopistols and revolvers, the greatbow is more accurate from a distance, and has higher max range. However, both handguns outdamage the greatbow up close.
  • The greatbow is actually very similar in role to the bolt-action rifle, just with worse stats. A bolt-action rifle has better DPS, range, long-range accuracy as a greatbow of the same quality.

The main issue of this weapon is the research required - greatbows are a dead-end project, and greatbows themselves are quickly outclassed by guns that can be looted and crafted early. Therefore, actually doing the research is often a waste of time. Should you find or craft a particularly high quality greatbow, however, it can remain competitive in the early game. The main advantage of greatbows is their cost, not using any components or steel that could be otherwise spent on other options.

Quality comparisons[edit]

High quality greatbows can occasionally be obtained as a quest reward. Particularly high quality greatbows can be better than many types of guns.

  • A masterwork greatbow beats an excellent (and lower) bolt-action rifle at any range the bow can reach, though its AP and max range are still shorter.
  • Up close (12 tiles), a greatbow 1 quality level higher generally beats a bolt action, e.g. good greatbow > normal bolt-action. The one exception is that an excellent greatbow is still inferior to a good bolt action rifle.
  • At medium (25 tile) range and beyond, an excellent greatbow is outperformed by a poor bolt-action.

Stats[edit]

Against an unarmored human, a greatbow can kill with 3 hits to the torso, 2 hits to the head or neck, or 1 hit to the brain; cripple or destroy limbs in 2 hits; and destroy eyes and digits with a single hit. It'll generally take around 4 hits (~19.5 seconds average) to incapacitate that human from pain shock.

Attack table

Ranged

  • Greatbow Greatbow Accuracy
    (Touch)         		Accuracy
    (Short)         		Accuracy
    (Medium)         		Accuracy
    (Long)         		DPS
    (Optimal)         		DPS
    (Touch)         		DPS
    (Short)         		DPS
    (Medium)         		DPS
    (Long)         		Market
    value
    Quality Dam. AP
    Awful 15.3 13.5% 52% 68% 60% 40% 4.37 2.27 2.97 2.62 1.75 52 Silver
    Poor 17 15% 58.5% 76.5% 67.5% 45% 4.86 2.87 3.74 3.3 2.19 78 Silver
    Normal 17 15% 65% 85% 75% 50% 4.86 3.16 4.13 3.65 2.43 104 Silver
    Good 17 15% 71.5% 93.5% 82.5% 55% 4.86 3.5 4.57 4.03 2.67 130 Silver
    Excellent 17 15% 78% 100% 90% 60% 4.86 3.79 4.86 4.37 2.92 156 Silver
    Masterwork 21.25 18.75% 87.75% 100% 100% 67.5% 6.08 5.35 6.08 6.08 4.13 260 Silver
    Legendary 25.5 22.5% 97.5% 100% 100% 75% 7.29 7.14 7.29 7.29 5.47 520 Silver

    For the full effects of qualities, see Quality. Values shown in Red indicate the weapon is out of range at the reference point for this range band.
    The value is provided due to the interpolated nature of accuracy between range points.

    • Melee

    Feature Toggle
    AttacksRitual Quality Check Off.pngRitual Quality Check On.png
  • Greatbow Greatbow Limb (Blunt) Limb (Poke) Human: Left & right fist (Blunt) HP Value
    Quality
    		 DPS[1] AP[1] Dam. Cool. AP DPS Chance[2] Dam. Cool. AP DPS Chance[2] Dam. Cool. AP DPS Chance[2]
    Awful 3.98 11.6% 7.2 2s 10.4% 3.6 12.5% 7.2 2s 10.4% 3.6 12.5% 8.2 2s 12% 4.1 2× 37.5% 100 52 Silver
    Poor 4.08 11.85% 8.1 2s 11.7% 4.05 25% 8.1 2s 11.7% 4.05 25% 8.2 2s 12% 4.1 2× 25% 100 78 Silver
    Normal 4.4 12.75% 9 2s 13% 4.5 37.5% 9 2s 13% 4.5 37.5% 8.2 2s 12% 4.1 2× 12.5% 100 104 Silver
    Good 4.74 13.73% 9.9 2s 14.3% 4.95 37.5% 9.9 2s 14.3% 4.95 37.5% 8.2 2s 12% 4.1 2× 12.5% 100 130 Silver
    Excellent 5.08 14.7% 10.8 2s 15.6% 5.4 37.5% 10.8 2s 15.6% 5.4 37.5% 8.2 2s 12% 4.1 2× 12.5% 100 156 Silver
    Masterwork 5.92 17.14% 13.05 2s 18.85% 6.53 37.5% 13.05 2s 18.85% 6.53 37.5% 8.2 2s 12% 4.1 2× 12.5% 100 260 Silver
    Legendary 6.59 19.09% 14.85 2s 21.45% 7.43 37.5% 14.85 2s 21.45% 7.43 37.5% 8.2 2s 12% 4.1 2× 12.5% 100 520 Silver

    For the full effects of qualities, see Quality.

    1. ↑ 1.0 1.1 Note: This is the actual base average derived from the melee verb system updated in 1.1.2610, it may sometimes disagree with the listed value in the in-game infobox.
      It may also change depending on the stats and the melee verbs available to the wielder if the weapon is wielded by some other than a baseline human.
    2. ↑ Chance for attack to be selected, assuming the weapon is wielded by a baseline human. It may change depending on the melee verbs available to the wielder

    Version history[edit]

    • 0.3.410 - Added
    • At some point between Beta 18 and 1.2 it was nerfed. Accuracy was decreased from Touch accuracy was changed from 93% to 65%, range was decreased from 32 to 30 and damage from 18 to 17. It was also increased in weight from 1.2 to 3.0.
    • 1.5.4062 - Received a new texture.

    • Texture prior to 1.5


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    Beer • Elephant tusk • Thrumbo horn • Wood
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