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The spear is a melee weapon that does a large amount of damage, has a fairly long cooldown, and deals sharp damage.

Acquisition

Spears can be crafted at any smithy once the Long Blades research has been completed, from 75 Stuff (Metallic/Woody, 750 for SMVs) and 12,000 ticks (3.33 mins) of work.

Spears can be purchased from any combat supplier or war merchant, or obtained from several kinds of melee raiders.

Analysis

The spear is a sharp weapon with a very similar damage output to the longsword, despite the in-game tooltips stating otherwise. This is because the game does not account for the melee verb selection mechanic introduced in 1.1. Spears and/or longswords are the best sharp melee weapons that colonists can craft.

Compared to longswords

Spears have very slightly less DPS. The longsword is +1% stronger in raw DPS than the spear, after considering melee verb selection. In exchange, the spear has noticeably more AP and costs 25 materials less. This makes the spear numerically superior, but that is not the full story.

Longswords can either Cut or Stab, while spears can only Stab. Cut damage has a chance to "cleave" through body parts. This increases damage per swing by 140%, but its damage is split between body parts. The spear can only stab: its damage is weaker, but always concentrated on one body part.

If a cut happens to reduce a body part to 0 HP, it is more likely to be destroyed. But since cleaving will spread out damage in the first place, Cut remains less likely to destroy larger limbs (like the arms and legs). Also, stabs are more likely to hit internal organs. However, both of these factors are much less important than the aforementioned cleaving.

Overall, which option is better depends on weapon quality and expected targets:

At normal to excellent qualities, longswords are often better (at least more consistent) for fighting against unarmored humans, lightly armored humans, and light mechs like scythers and lancers. This is due to the increased damage from cleaving. Spears would be better for fighting against armored enemies, due to the higher AP.

In contrast, a masterwork plasteel spear / sword is able to one-shot body parts like head and neck. The masterwork spear will more consistently one-shot human enemies, as the damage won't be spread out.^{[Which is better?]} Spears still have more AP, so are better against armored enemies.

It's worth noting that the spear faces heavy competition with the mace as a cheaper, anti-armor weapon.

Compared to maces

The spear is actually closer to the mace in their niche, as both are better than the longsword against armor. At normal quality, a plasteel spear deals more damage than a uranium mace until 69% armor. This is before considering quality; at higher quality, the spear only gets better. For example, if both weapons are excellent, then the spear starts to become better at 79% armor.

The mace still would be better against flak vests and power armor, but not by a lot. Meanwhile, spears are much better against unarmored foes, and equal against armored foes up to centipedes. Note that there aren't many enemies with power armor. This makes spears practically better than maces of the same quality, assuming plasteel vs. uranium. (If both weapons are made out of steel, then the mace becomes relatively better against centipedes and plate armor and the like.)

With strong melee gene

With the strong melee damage gene, the comparisons change drastically.

High quality longswords can now one-shot the torso. Legendary plasteel swords can one-shot the torso even in a cleave attack, assuming it split between 2 parts.
When an excellent plasteel longsword (or better) does a cleave attack, its damage so high that it causes pain shock in a single swing.
Meanwhile, the spear can only ever hit a single body part. If a 62 damage spear hits a 25 damage arm, the arm is destroyed and 37 damage (over 60% of the attack) is wasted. If a sword cleaves, much less damage is wasted.
Strong melee damage also boosts the AP of a weapon. Masterwork plasteel swords have enough AP to ignore the armor of a centipede and any other mechanoid, DLC or not.

This results in high quality swords with the damage gene being virtually better against all targets, short of tough pawns. Against humanoids, a sword can either (1-shot torso/head or cleave to pain shock), while a spear can only (1-shot torso/head). Against mechanoids, the cleave damage results in the sword coming out ahead regardless.

The masterwork steel longsword given at the start of the The Sanguophage scenario reaches both relevant thresholds. With your sanguophage, it can one-shot through a torso stab and one-shot through cleaving pain. This longsword is actually stronger per-hit than an excellent plasteel longsword, and likely better than any weapon you'll be seeing for a while.

Attack table

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Attacks
Quality

Spear				Shaft (Blunt)					Shaft (Poke)					Point (Stab)					Human: Left & right fist (Blunt)					HP	Value
Quality	Material	DPS^[1]	AP^[1]	Dam.	Cool.	AP	DPS	Chance^[2]	Dam.	Cool.	AP	DPS	Chance^[2]	Dam.	Cool.	AP	DPS	Chance^[2]	Dam.	Cool.	AP	DPS	Chance^[2]	HP	Value
Awful	Bioferrite	7.97	42.3%	9.36	2.6s	14.4%	3.6	6.25%	9.36	2.6s	14.4%	3.6	6.25%	23.92	2.6s	52%	9.2	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 6.25%	200	82
Awful	Gold	5.02	26%	10.4	2.6s	16%	4	6.25%	10.4	2.6s	16%	4	6.25%	13.8	2.6s	30%	5.31	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 6.25%	60	3770
Awful	Plasteel	8.39	36.3%	9.36	2.08s	14.4%	4.5	6.25%	9.36	2.08s	14.4%	4.5	6.25%	20.24	2.08s	44%	9.73	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 6.25%	280	385
Awful	Silver	5.57	29%	10.4	2.6s	16%	4	6.25%	10.4	2.6s	16%	4	6.25%	15.64	2.6s	34%	6.02	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 6.25%	70	395
Awful	Steel	6.39	33.5%	10.4	2.6s	16%	4	6.25%	10.4	2.6s	16%	4	6.25%	18.4	2.6s	40%	7.08	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 6.25%	100	93
Awful	Uranium	6.6	37.5%	15.6	2.86s	24%	5.45	6.25%	15.6	2.86s	24%	5.45	6.25%	20.24	2.86s	44%	7.08	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 6.25%	250	265
Awful	Wood	3.87	12.73%	9.36	2.6s	14.4%	3.6	8.33%	9.36	2.6s	14.4%	3.6	8.33%	7.36	2.6s	16%	2.83	8.33%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 37.5%	65	60
Poor	Bioferrite	8.92	47.4%	10.53	2.6s	16.2%	4.05	6.25%	10.53	2.6s	16.2%	4.05	6.25%	26.91	2.6s	58.5%	10.35	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 6.25%	200	123
Poor	Gold	5.6	29.06%	11.7	2.6s	18%	4.5	6.25%	11.7	2.6s	18%	4.5	6.25%	15.53	2.6s	33.75%	5.97	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 6.25%	60	5655
Poor	Plasteel	9.38	40.65%	10.53	2.08s	16.2%	5.06	6.25%	10.53	2.08s	16.2%	5.06	6.25%	22.77	2.08s	49.5%	10.95	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 6.25%	280	575
Poor	Silver	6.21	32.44%	11.7	2.6s	18%	4.5	6.25%	11.7	2.6s	18%	4.5	6.25%	17.6	2.6s	38.25%	6.77	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 6.25%	70	595
Poor	Steel	7.13	37.5%	11.7	2.6s	18%	4.5	6.25%	11.7	2.6s	18%	4.5	6.25%	20.7	2.6s	45%	7.96	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 6.25%	100	139
Poor	Uranium	7.37	42%	17.55	2.86s	27%	6.14	6.25%	17.55	2.86s	27%	6.14	6.25%	22.77	2.86s	49.5%	7.96	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 6.25%	250	400
Poor	Wood	3.83	15.08%	10.53	2.6s	16.2%	4.05	18.75%	10.53	2.6s	16.2%	4.05	18.75%	8.28	2.6s	18%	3.18	25%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 18.75%	65	90
Normal	Bioferrite	9.75	53.25%	11.7	2.6s	18%	4.5	12.5%	11.7	2.6s	18%	4.5	12.5%	29.9	2.6s	65%	11.5	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 0%	200	164
Normal	Gold	6.17	32.13%	13	2.6s	20%	5	6.25%	13	2.6s	20%	5	6.25%	17.25	2.6s	37.5%	6.63	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 6.25%	60	7540
Normal	Plasteel	10.53	45.75%	11.7	2.08s	18%	5.63	12.5%	11.7	2.08s	18%	5.63	12.5%	25.3	2.08s	55%	12.16	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 0%	280	770
Normal	Silver	6.86	35.88%	13	2.6s	20%	5	6.25%	13	2.6s	20%	5	6.25%	19.55	2.6s	42.5%	7.52	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 6.25%	70	795
Normal	Steel	7.88	41.5%	13	2.6s	20%	5	6.25%	13	2.6s	20%	5	6.25%	23	2.6s	50%	8.85	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 6.25%	100	186
Normal	Uranium	8.15	46.5%	19.5	2.86s	30%	6.82	6.25%	19.5	2.86s	30%	6.82	6.25%	25.3	2.86s	55%	8.85	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 6.25%	250	530
Normal	Wood	4.36	17.17%	11.7	2.6s	18%	4.5	37.5%	11.7	2.6s	18%	4.5	37.5%	9.2	2.6s	20%	3.54	8.33%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 8.33%	65	120
Good	Bioferrite	10.73	58.58%	12.87	2.6s	19.8%	4.95	12.5%	12.87	2.6s	19.8%	4.95	12.5%	32.89	2.6s	71.5%	12.65	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 0%	200	205
Good	Gold	6.75	35.19%	14.3	2.6s	22%	5.5	6.25%	14.3	2.6s	22%	5.5	6.25%	18.98	2.6s	41.25%	7.3	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 6.25%	60	8040
Good	Plasteel	11.58	50.33%	12.87	2.08s	19.8%	6.19	12.5%	12.87	2.08s	19.8%	6.19	12.5%	27.83	2.08s	60.5%	13.38	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 0%	280	960
Good	Silver	7.5	39.31%	14.3	2.6s	22%	5.5	6.25%	14.3	2.6s	22%	5.5	6.25%	21.51	2.6s	46.75%	8.27	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 6.25%	70	990
Good	Steel	8.63	45.5%	14.3	2.6s	22%	5.5	6.25%	14.3	2.6s	22%	5.5	6.25%	25.3	2.6s	55%	9.73	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 6.25%	100	230
Good	Uranium	8.93	51%	21.45	2.86s	33%	7.5	6.25%	21.45	2.86s	33%	7.5	6.25%	27.83	2.86s	60.5%	9.73	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 6.25%	250	665
Good	Wood	4.75	18.68%	12.87	2.6s	19.8%	4.95	37.5%	12.87	2.6s	19.8%	4.95	37.5%	10.12	2.6s	22%	3.89	8.33%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 8.33%	65	150
Excellent	Bioferrite	11.7	63.9%	14.04	2.6s	21.6%	5.4	12.5%	14.04	2.6s	21.6%	5.4	12.5%	35.88	2.6s	78%	13.8	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 0%	200	245
Excellent	Gold	7.33	38.25%	15.6	2.6s	24%	6	6.25%	15.6	2.6s	24%	6	6.25%	20.7	2.6s	45%	7.96	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 6.25%	60	8540
Excellent	Plasteel	12.63	54.9%	14.04	2.08s	21.6%	6.75	12.5%	14.04	2.08s	21.6%	6.75	12.5%	30.36	2.08s	66%	14.6	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 0%	280	1155
Excellent	Silver	8.15	42.75%	15.6	2.6s	24%	6	6.25%	15.6	2.6s	24%	6	6.25%	23.46	2.6s	51%	9.02	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 6.25%	70	1190
Excellent	Steel	9.38	49.5%	15.6	2.6s	24%	6	6.25%	15.6	2.6s	24%	6	6.25%	27.6	2.6s	60%	10.62	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 6.25%	100	280
Excellent	Uranium	9.71	55.5%	23.4	2.86s	36%	8.18	6.25%	23.4	2.86s	36%	8.18	6.25%	30.36	2.86s	66%	10.62	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 6.25%	250	800
Excellent	Wood	5.13	20.2%	14.04	2.6s	21.6%	5.4	37.5%	14.04	2.6s	21.6%	5.4	37.5%	11.04	2.6s	24%	4.25	8.33%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 8.33%	65	180
Masterwork	Bioferrite	14.14	77.21%	16.97	2.6s	26.1%	6.53	12.5%	16.97	2.6s	26.1%	6.53	12.5%	43.36	2.6s	94.25%	16.68	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 0%	200	410
Masterwork	Gold	8.77	45.91%	18.85	2.6s	29%	7.25	6.25%	18.85	2.6s	29%	7.25	6.25%	25.01	2.6s	54.38%	9.62	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 6.25%	60	9540
Masterwork	Plasteel	15.27	66.34%	16.97	2.08s	26.1%	8.16	12.5%	16.97	2.08s	26.1%	8.16	12.5%	36.69	2.08s	79.75%	17.64	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 0%	280	1925
Masterwork	Silver	9.76	51.34%	18.85	2.6s	29%	7.25	6.25%	18.85	2.6s	29%	7.25	6.25%	28.35	2.6s	61.63%	10.9	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 6.25%	70	1985
Masterwork	Steel	11.43	61.63%	18.85	2.6s	29%	7.25	12.5%	18.85	2.6s	29%	7.25	12.5%	33.35	2.6s	72.5%	12.83	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 0%	100	465
Masterwork	Uranium	12.09	70.69%	28.28	2.86s	43.5%	9.89	12.5%	28.28	2.86s	43.5%	9.89	12.5%	36.69	2.86s	79.75%	12.83	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 0%	250	1330
Masterwork	Wood	6.08	23.99%	16.97	2.6s	26.1%	6.53	37.5%	16.97	2.6s	26.1%	6.53	37.5%	13.34	2.6s	29%	5.13	8.33%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 8.33%	65	300
Legendary	Bioferrite	18.98	107.25%	19.31	2.6s	29.7%	7.43	0%	19.31	2.6s	29.7%	7.43	0%	49.34	2.6s	107.25%	18.98	100%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 0%	200	820
Legendary	Gold	9.92	52.03%	21.45	2.6s	33%	8.25	6.25%	21.45	2.6s	33%	8.25	6.25%	28.46	2.6s	61.88%	10.95	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 6.25%	60	10540
Legendary	Plasteel	17.37	75.49%	19.31	2.08s	29.7%	9.28	12.5%	19.31	2.08s	29.7%	9.28	12.5%	41.75	2.08s	90.75%	20.07	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 0%	280	3770
Legendary	Silver	11.37	60.84%	21.45	2.6s	33%	8.25	12.5%	21.45	2.6s	33%	8.25	12.5%	32.26	2.6s	70.13%	12.41	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 0%	70	3795
Legendary	Steel	13.01	70.13%	21.45	2.6s	33%	8.25	12.5%	21.45	2.6s	33%	8.25	12.5%	37.95	2.6s	82.5%	14.6	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 0%	100	930
Legendary	Uranium	13.76	80.44%	32.18	2.86s	49.5%	11.25	12.5%	32.18	2.86s	49.5%	11.25	12.5%	41.75	2.86s	90.75%	14.6	75%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 0%	250	2660
Legendary	Wood	6.84	27.03%	19.31	2.6s	29.7%	7.43	37.5%	19.31	2.6s	29.7%	7.43	37.5%	15.18	2.6s	33%	5.84	8.33%	8.2	2s	12%	4.1	2× 8.33%	65	600

^{For the full effects of qualities, see Quality.}

↑ ^1.0 ^1.1 Note: This is the actual base average derived from the melee verb system updated in 1.1.2610, it may sometimes disagree with the listed value in the in-game infobox.
It may also change depending on the stats and the melee verbs available to the wielder if the weapon is wielded by some other than a baseline human.
↑ Chance for attack to be selected, assuming the weapon is wielded by a baseline human. It may change depending on the melee verbs available to the wielder

Version history

0.7.581 - Added
1.1.2610 - Implementation of new melee verb system. Previously, spears were more likely to use their shaft rather than their point. This now results in spears having higher DPS than what the game's infobox states.

Weapons

Melee | Neolithic: Breach axe • Club • Ikwa • Knife (Jade) • Spear

Medieval: Gladius • Longsword • Mace • Axe • Warhammer

Ultra: Eltex staff • Monosword (Persona) • Plasmasword (Persona) • Zeushammer (Persona)

Improvised: Beer • Elephant tusk • Thrumbo horn • Wood

Ranged | Neolithic: Greatbow • Pila • Recurve bow • Short bow • Flamebow

Medieval: Nerve spiker

Industrial: Assault rifle • Autopistol • Bolt-action rifle • Chain shotgun • Heavy SMG • Launcher (EMP, Incendiary, Smoke, Toxbomb ) • LMG • Machine pistol • Minigun • Pump shotgun • Revolver • Sniper rifle • Hellcat rifle • Incinerator

Spacer: Charge lance • Charge rifle

Consumables: Doomsday rocket launcher • Triple rocket launcher

Throwables: EMP grenades • Frag grenades • Molotov cocktails • Tox grenades

Mechanoid: Heavy charge blaster • Inferno cannon • Needle gun • Thump cannon • Beam graser • Charge blaster turret • Hellsphere cannon • Mini-flameblaster • Mini-shotgun • Slugthrower • Spiner • Toxic needle gun

Structures: Autocannon • Mini-turret gun • Mortar (Weapon) • Uranium slug cannon • Auto-mortar • Inferno cannon (Turret) • Light charge blaster • Mini-slugger • Tactical turret gun

Related | Body part weapons: Prosthetic arm • Bionic arm • Archotech arm • Power claw • Field hand • Drill arm • Venom talon • Venom fangs • Knee spike • Elbow blade • Hand talon • Flesh whip

Integrated weapons: Grenadier armor • Phoenix armor

[Actual-1] 1.0 ^1.1 Note: This is the actual base average derived from the melee verb system updated in 1.1.2610, it may sometimes disagree with the listed value in the in-game infobox.
It may also change depending on the stats and the melee verbs available to the wielder if the weapon is wielded by some other than a baseline human.

[Chance-2] Chance for attack to be selected, assuming the weapon is wielded by a baseline human. It may change depending on the melee verbs available to the wielder

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 == Analysis ==
 The spear is a sharp weapon with a ''very'' similar damage output to the [[longsword]], despite the in-game tooltips stating otherwise. This is because the game does not account for the [[Weapons#Melee formulas|melee verb selection]] mechanic introduced in 1.1. Spears and/or longswords are the best sharp melee weapons that colonists can craft.
-As is typical with any sharp weapon, spear attacks cause bleeding, but most [[armor]] have higher Sharp armor values than their Blunt armor values. The [[mace]] requires less research and resources to create, and can outperform the spear against high armor, from [[flak vest]]-level equipment onwards. Higher ranking [[Factions#Tribes|tribals]] often use spears for melee fighters.
 ===Compared to longswords===
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 * In contrast, a masterwork [[plasteel]] spear / sword is able to one-shot body parts like head and neck. The masterwork spear will more consistently one-shot human enemies, as the damage won't be spread out.{{Check Tag|Which is better?|(I) incorrectly assumed that spears could one-shot the torso. Testing vs. unarmored}} Spears still have more {{AP}}, so are better against armored enemies.
-It's worth noting that the spear faces heavy competition with the [[mace]] as a cheaper, anti-armor weapon. With longswords better (more consistent) against light armor, and maces better against heavy armor, spears before masterwork struggle to find a niche beyond being a cheaper longsword.
+It's worth noting that the spear faces heavy competition with the [[mace]] as a cheaper, anti-armor weapon.
-====With strong melee gene====
+===Compared to maces===
+The spear is actually closer to the [[mace]] in their niche, as both are better than the longsword against armor. At normal quality, a [[plasteel]] spear deals more damage than a [[uranium]] mace until {{%| (10.55 / 9.56 -1)/0.75 + 0.55 round 2}} <!-- We are solving for (Spear DPS Improvement%) / (Armor Reduction) = 1. Since spear's only Sharp attack has 55% AP, we use that instead of avg AP. 1% AP reduces 1% of armor, and 1% of armor equals 0.75% damage reduction.
+This results in equation,  (10.55 / 9.56) / (100 - 0.75(x - 55))% = 1. We can solve for x, and get ((10.55 / 9.56) - 1)/0.75 =  (x - .55), after we convert percent into decimals. ---> armor. This is before considering quality; at higher quality, the spear only gets better. For example, if both weapons are excellent, then the spear starts to become better at {{%| (12.63 / 11.48 -1)/0.75 + 0.66 round 2}} armor.
+The mace still would be better against [[flak vest]]s and [[power armor]], but not by a lot. Meanwhile, spears are much better against unarmored foes, and equal against armored foes up to [[centipede]]s. Note that there aren't many enemies with power armor. This makes spears ''practically'' better than maces of the same quality, assuming plasteel vs. uranium. (If both weapons are made out of [[steel]], then the mace becomes relatively better against centipedes and plate armor and the like.)
+===With strong melee gene===
 With the [[Genes#Strong melee damage|strong melee ''damage'']] gene,{{BiotechIcon}} the comparisons change drastically.