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EMP grenades are short ranged, thrown weapons that have a forced miss radius but deal EMP damage in a small radius around their target, allowing them to stun mechanical targets and deplete shields.

Note that EMP grenades, once equipped, can be thrown infinitely; they are not consumed by use.

Acquisition

EMP grenades can be crafted at a Machining table once the Microelectronics research project has been completed. They require 20 Steel, 6 Components and 24,000 ticks (6.67 mins) of work.

They can also be purchased from orbital pirate merchants and orbital combat suppliers, outlander faction bases, and can be recovered after defeating the following raider types:

Raider Kind	Chance	Average Quality	Health
EMP Grenadier	100%	Normal	70-230%

Summary

For a full exploration of the effects of EMP damage, see EMP.

EMP grenades deal 50 EMP within their very short range of 12.9, and with a moderate aiming time. Once landed, grenades have a 100 ticks (1.67 secs) delay before exploding in a 3.5 tile radius. They have a forced miss radius of 1.9 tiles, meaning an unobstructed grenade will always land within 1 grid tile of their target (including diagonals), and will always hit the intended tile. This means Shooting skill, shooting accuracy, and health of the grenadier is irrelevant. Aiming time effects do still apply however.

EMP damage does not deal physical damage. Instead, EMP grenades stun turrets, mechanoids, and mortars for 50 EMP damage, or 25 seconds. After being stunned, mechanoids become "Adapted" and gain immunity against further stuns for 2,200 ticks (36.67 secs). Immunity is applied on stun, and will not be extended by stunning an adapted or already stunned mechanoid. EMP also disables shield belts and causes Brain shock on humanoids with brain implants, and vomitting on those with certain stomach implants.

Grenades are treated as a proper weapon, so can't be wielded with another one. Each set of EMP grenades can be thrown infinitely; they are not consumed by use. They are thrown with the same animation as of shooting, they cannot be used over walls and must have a direct line of sight. A circular zone will generate to indicate range, then another 3x3 indicator with a circular center will become the aiming spot.

When throwing a grenade down an 1-tile wide alley, a pawn can consistently throw a grenade 4 tiles, not including the tile the pawn is standing on, without intersecting the two side walls. Beyond 4 tiles, there is a risk of hitting the wall and dropping short. This can be relevant to prevent friendly fire during combat.

When damaged with Flame damage^{[How much?]}, the grenade item may explode. The grenades will spark and emit a hissing sound shortly before exploding some time later. The explosion deals 50 EMP damage in a 2.66 tile radius around itself.

EMP grenades have no quality - every set of grenades will have the same stats, regardless of the skill of the crafter.

Analysis

While harmless against most organic life, EMP weaponry is incredibly useful against mechanoids, such as centipedes, a decisive advantage against some of the toughest enemies in the game. Due to the forced miss radius, EMP grenades are a viable combat alternative for those with health issues or low shooting skill. Trigger-happy is beneifical, while the careful shooter trait is strictly detrimental.

Usage without oversight is prone to vulnerable positioning, inefficiency against moving target, and unwanted collateral damage. It therefore is a good idea to manually aim EMP grenades instead of relying on the colonists' AI to do that. They will not lead a moving target and will not attack targets which can only be hit by area of effect (e.g. well behind the corner of a wall). Repeated throwing will effect stun adaptation, but won't increase stun duration.

With the Royalty DLC active, they also play a vital role in suppressing low-shield packs and downing mech low-shields , ensuring that colonists can maintain damage output. There are also niche uses in brain shocking pawns with certain implants to safely down them as a method of safely downing berserking supersoldier colonists or rebellious slaves. Finally, EMP Grenades are also particularly useful against mechanoid clusters if they don't have proximity activators.

Comparison to EMP launchers

See also: EMP launcher

The key differences between EMP grenades and launchers are: Range, Rate of Fire, Blast Radius, and Quality.

While both have the same miss radius, grenades have a significantly larger blast radius. This means that grenades will always hit their intended tile, while the launcher may miss. Grenades are also faster to fire, which is a key advantage in most practical situations.

Launchers have a higher radius, which may be useful with good terrain or against low shield packs or mechanoid shields. However, all mechanoids will outrange the launcher.

Unlike grenades, launchers are affected by quality. Masterwork and Legendary launchers in particular see an increase in damage (i.e. stun duration). Legendary launchers will stun for long enough that mechanoid adaptation ends before the stun, making it technically possible to 100% stun lock them. In practice, it is almost impossible to get the timing perfect even before accounting for the risk of missed shots, unless you have multiple colonists with legendary launchers. Conversely, this makes grenades relatively better if you don't have good crafters - Awful launchers are worse at their job.

In summary, grenades are often the stronger choice due to their higher accuracy, faster fire rate, and the relatively low benefit of range.

Source	Damage	Stun Duration	Post-Stun Adaption Duration	Ideal Stun Uptime
Awful EMP launcher	45	1,350 ticks (22.5 secs)	850 ticks (14.17 secs)	61.36%
EMP Grenades, Poor/Norm/Good/Exc EMP launcher	50	1,500 ticks (25 secs)	700 ticks (11.67 secs)	68.18%
Masterwork EMP launcher	62.5	1,875 ticks (31.25 secs)	325 ticks (5.42 secs)	85.23%
Legendary EMP launcher	75	2,250 ticks (37.5 secs)	0 ticks (0 secs) (-50 ticks (-0.83 secs))	100%

Version history

0.6.532 - Added.
On or before 1.0.2096 - Texture updated.

Old texture

Weapons

Melee | Neolithic: Breach axe • Club • Ikwa • Knife (Jade) • Spear

Medieval: Gladius • Longsword • Mace • Axe • Warhammer

Ultra: Eltex staff • Monosword (Persona) • Plasmasword (Persona) • Zeushammer (Persona)

Improvised: Beer • Elephant tusk • Thrumbo horn • Wood

Ranged | Neolithic: Greatbow • Pila • Recurve bow • Short bow • Flamebow

Medieval: Nerve spiker

Industrial: Assault rifle • Autopistol • Bolt-action rifle • Chain shotgun • Heavy SMG • Launcher (EMP, Incendiary, Smoke, Toxbomb ) • LMG • Machine pistol • Minigun • Pump shotgun • Revolver • Sniper rifle • Hellcat rifle • Incinerator

Spacer: Charge lance • Charge rifle

Consumables: Doomsday rocket launcher • Triple rocket launcher

Throwables: EMP grenades • Frag grenades • Molotov cocktails • Tox grenades

Mechanoid: Heavy charge blaster • Inferno cannon • Needle gun • Thump cannon • Beam graser • Charge blaster turret • Hellsphere cannon • Mini-flameblaster • Mini-shotgun • Slugthrower • Spiner • Toxic needle gun

Structures: Autocannon • Mini-turret gun • Mortar (Weapon) • Uranium slug cannon • Auto-mortar • Inferno cannon (Turret) • Light charge blaster • Mini-slugger • Tactical turret gun

Related | Body part weapons: Prosthetic arm • Bionic arm • Archotech arm • Power claw • Field hand • Drill arm • Venom talon • Venom fangs • Knee spike • Elbow blade • Hand talon • Flesh whip

Integrated weapons: Grenadier armor • Phoenix armor

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 == Summary ==
 {{For|a full exploration of the effects of EMP damage|EMP}}
-EMP grenades have very short range of {{P|Range}}, moderate aiming time, and a {{ticks|100}} delay before exploding in a {{P|Blast Radius}} tile radius, causing {{P|Damage Base}} [[EMP]] damage to everything in that radius. Note that EMP damage does not deal any physical damage, instead stunning [[mechanoid]]s, [[turret]]s and [[mortar]]s in that radius for 25 seconds and instantly depleting [[shield belt]]s.  A target that is stunned shows a mote saying 'STUN'. Using EMP grenades against friendlies counts as an attack even if they aren't hurt.
-After being stunned, mechanoids become "Adapted" and gain immunity against further stuns for {{ticks|2200}}. Immunity is applied on stun, and will not be extended by stunning an adapted or already stunned mechanoid.
+EMP grenades deal {{P|Damage Base}} [[EMP]] within their very short range of {{P|Range}}, and with a moderate aiming time. Once landed, grenades have a {{ticks|100}} delay before exploding in a {{P|Blast Radius}} tile radius. They have a forced miss radius of 1.9 tiles, meaning an unobstructed grenade will always land within 1 grid tile of their target (including diagonals), and will always hit the intended tile. This means [[Skills#Shooting|Shooting]] skill, [[shooting accuracy]], and health of the grenadier is irrelevant. [[Aiming time]] effects do still apply however.
-Each set of EMP grenades can be thrown infinitely; they are not consumed by use.
+EMP damage does not deal physical damage. Instead, EMP grenades stun [[turret]]s, [[mechanoid]]s, and [[mortar]]s for 50 EMP damage, or 25 seconds. After being stunned, mechanoids become "Adapted" and gain immunity against further stuns for {{ticks|2200}}. Immunity is applied on stun, and will not be extended by stunning an adapted or already stunned mechanoid. EMP also disables [[shield belt]]s and causes [[Brain shock]] on humanoids with brain implants, and vomitting on those with certain stomach implants.
-They are thrown with the same animation as of shooting, they cannot be used over walls and must have a direct line of sight. A circular zone will generate to indicate range, then another 3x3 indicator with a circular center will become the aiming spot. The character cannot hold both the grenades and another weapon at the same time.
+Grenades are treated as a proper weapon, so can't be wielded with another one. Each set of EMP grenades can be thrown infinitely; they are not consumed by use. They are thrown with the same animation as of shooting, they cannot be used over walls and must have a direct line of sight. A circular zone will generate to indicate range, then another 3x3 indicator with a circular center will become the aiming spot.
-Grenades will always land within 1 tile of their targeted tile, including on the diagonal, unless the path of the grenade intersects with a wall or object. This forced miss radius means that [[Skills#Shooting|Shooting]] skill and [[shooting accuracy]] of the grenadier is irrelevant. The grenades will not get any more or less accurate based on the skills or health of the thrower. [[Aiming time]] effects do still apply however.
 When throwing a grenade down an 1-tile wide alley, a pawn can consistently throw a grenade 4 tiles, not including the tile the pawn is standing on, without intersecting the two side walls. Beyond 4 tiles, there is a risk of hitting the wall and dropping short. This can be relevant to prevent friendly fire during combat.
-When damaged with [[Damage Types#Flame|Flame]] damage{{Check Tag|How much?|Any damage? Below a certain threshold? What threshold?}}, they may explode. The grenades will spark and emit a hissing sound shortly before exploding some time later. The explosion deals 50 EMP damage in a 2.66 tile radius around itself.
+When damaged with [[Damage Types#Flame|Flame]] damage{{Check Tag|How much?|Any damage? Below a certain threshold? What threshold?}}, the grenade item may explode. The grenades will spark and emit a hissing sound shortly before exploding some time later. The explosion deals 50 EMP damage in a 2.66 tile radius around itself.
 EMP grenades have no [[quality]] - every set of grenades will have the same stats, regardless of the skill of the crafter.
 == Analysis ==
-The main benefit of EMP grenades is the continual stunning of [[mechanoids]], reducing the time they have to act and harm colonists by as much as 68%. This can be a decisive reducing in incoming DPS against some of the toughest enemies in the game. With the [[Royalty DLC]] active, they also play a vital role in suppressing [[low-shield pack]]s {{RoyaltyIcon}} and downing [[mech low-shield]]s {{RoyaltyIcon}}, ensuring that colonists can maintain damage output. There are also niche uses in [[brain shock]]ing pawns with certain implants to safely down them as a method of safely downing [[Mental break#Beserk|berserking]] supersoldier colonists or rebellious [[slaves]].{{IdeologyIcon}} Finally, EMP Grenades are also particularly useful against [[mechanoid cluster]]s {{RoyaltyIcon}} if they don't have [[proximity activator]]s. {{RoyaltyIcon}}
+While harmless against most organic life, EMP weaponry is incredibly useful against mechanoids, such as [[centipede]]s, a decisive advantage against some of the toughest enemies in the game. Due to the forced miss radius, EMP grenades are a viable combat alternative for those with health issues or low shooting skill. [[Trigger-happy]] is beneifical, while the [[careful shooter]] trait is strictly detrimental.
-Against enemies that are vulnerable to EMP, they also offer a viable combat alternative for those with low skill or health issues that diminish accuracy as their accuracy is irrelevant but they can also swing the tide of battle. EMP grenades strictly benefit from the [[trigger-happy]] trait, as the [[Aiming Time]] bonus applies while the accuracy penalty does not, resulting in a signficantly higher DPS. Similarly, the [[careful shooter]] trait is strictly detrimental, reducing DPS with no benefit in return.
+Usage without oversight is prone to vulnerable positioning, inefficiency against moving target, and unwanted collateral damage. It therefore is a good idea to manually aim EMP grenades instead of relying on the colonists' AI to do that. They will not lead a moving target and will not attack targets which can only be hit by area of effect (e.g. well behind the corner of a wall). Repeated throwing will effect stun adaptation, but won't increase stun duration.
-Usage without oversight is prone to vulnerable positioning, inefficiency against moving target, and unwanted collateral damage. It therefore is a good idea to manually aim EMP grenades instead of relying on the colonists' AI to do that. They will not lead a moving target and will not attack targets which can only be hit by area of effect (e.g. well behind the corner of a wall). Also, repeated applications while the target is already stunned will cause stun adaptation to happen sooner, while not affecting stun time significantly.
+With the [[Royalty DLC]] active, they also play a vital role in suppressing [[low-shield pack]]s {{RoyaltyIcon}} and downing [[mech low-shield]]s {{RoyaltyIcon}}, ensuring that colonists can maintain damage output. There are also niche uses in [[brain shock]]ing pawns with certain implants to safely down them as a method of safely downing [[Mental break#Beserk|berserking]] supersoldier colonists or rebellious [[slaves]].{{IdeologyIcon}} Finally, EMP Grenades are also particularly useful against [[mechanoid cluster]]s {{RoyaltyIcon}} if they don't have [[proximity activator]]s. {{RoyaltyIcon}}
-Specifically, these grenades are very effective against [[centipede]]s, as their slow movement speed and large size make them easy targets. Centipedes have a very high damage potential, so even temporarily shutting them down will give your colonists an advantage in a battle.
 ===Comparison to EMP launchers===
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 The key differences between EMP grenades and launchers are: Range, Rate of Fire, Blast Radius, and Quality.
-While both have the same miss radius, the launcher has a significantly smaller blast radius. This means that when the projectile goes wild it may not hit the targetted tile at all. Conversely, the grenades will always overlap the target tile with their larger blast radius. This makes the launcher significantly less reliable. When combined with its {{#expr: (100*({{Q|EMP launcher|Ranged Cooldown Base}}+ {{Q|EMP launcher|Aiming Time Base}})/({{Q|EMP grenades|Ranged Cooldown Base}}+ {{Q|EMP grenades|Aiming Time Base}}))-100}}% slower rate of fire this means that, despite the longer range, using the grenades is almost always the better choice. Note that range can still be beneficial, such as when shutting down [[low shield pack]]s{{RoyaltyIcon}} or [[mech low-shield|mechanoid shields]]{{RoyaltyIcon}}.
+While both have the same miss radius, grenades have a significantly larger blast radius. This means that grenades will always hit their intended tile, while the launcher may miss. Grenades are also faster to fire, which is a key advantage in most practical situations.
+Launchers have a higher radius, which may be useful with good terrain or against [[low shield pack]]s{{RoyaltyIcon}} or [[mech low-shield|mechanoid shields]]{{RoyaltyIcon}}. However, all [[mechanoid]]s will outrange the launcher.
+Unlike grenades, launchers are affected by [[quality]]. Masterwork and Legendary launchers in particular see an increase in damage (i.e. stun duration). Legendary launchers will stun for long enough that mechanoid adaptation ends before the stun, making it technically possible to 100% stun lock them.  In practice, it is almost impossible to get the timing perfect even before accounting for the risk of missed shots, unless you have multiple colonists with legendary launchers. Conversely, this makes grenades relatively better if you don't have good crafters - Awful launchers are worse at their job.
-This equation changes when at very high qualities however. Unlike the grenades, the launcher is affected by quality. As damage is affected by certain qualities and stun duration is affected by the amount of [[EMP]] damage done, this means that awful quality launchers will stun targets for a shorter duration, but also means that masterwork and legendary launchers will stun for longer. The legendary launcher is particularly interesting because, while stun time increases with damage, adaptation time stays the same, and the legendary launcher stuns for long enough that the adaptation will end before the stun does. This means that it is technically possible to keep mechanoids 100% stun locked with perfect timing. In practice, it is almost impossible to get the timing perfect even before accounting for the risk of missed shots, but a team of pawns with legendary launchers can keep a mechanoid stun locked to the point where they cannot finish the warmup on their attacks, which is effective the same. When done in a 1 wide tunnel, this becomes even more reliable. Thus, while launchers of excellent quality of lower are inferior to grenades unless the range is strictly needed, the longer stun durations of higher quality launchers make them useful more generally.
+In summary, grenades are often the stronger choice due to their higher accuracy, faster fire rate, and the relatively low benefit of range.
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